Curse

rii · Sep 19, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Shadow Strike
Vampiric Gaze
Barbed Signet
Life Siphon
-Whatever You Want- (Useful is there's 1 odd skill needed in party. Soothing Images or suchlike)
Strip Enchantment
Blood is Power {E}
Res Sig

Pve? This is gvg pvp. So to be as polite as possible, i dont care. In pve, you can do whatever you want, and as long as its organised itll work. So stop talking about it as if it mattered.

Yes, its a solid Build. So is a quickshot ranger, a evis spiker, and a smiter. However, DONT NEED THIS. Stop walking into the thread, seeing any comment on necros then going off on some unrelated tangent about how necros are useful. i know their useful, and i really really dont need to be told it by you.

BiP healing/prot? Im assuming you mean a ne.mo. Again, stop lecturing me on the possibilties. I know what they are, and i am fairly certain there are many things better than that. I only have 8 slots, and there are 36 profession mixes. Go figure i might not be able to use all of them..... in fact, just read this thread, it sums it up in twice the space but it saves me time regurgitating things:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=45301
There are many points there of great use, and one of them is for the last time:
i d o n t w a n t a n e c r o p r i m a r y
im sure you can do well with them, i know i can, but again, ive got better things to do than use one.

Lets go back to that build of yours. Im assuming its pve, since a few points are quite important in regards to pvp:

'i dont need self heals'
i said this many times. The point of teamwork is you streamline jobs to sqeeze as much efficiency out of people as possible. This is why i dont want self heals. Healing is the monks job. Necros job is buffing, debuffing, and hexes. Roughly. If a monk has oob and bip, and uses a non priority heal to do the wa/n, healing is moot, and whatsmore, again, its a matter of space. ive only got 8 skill slots, so me wasting them on what is meant to be someone elses job is shockingly stupid in pvp.

The damage is awful. barbed signet has a 30s cooldown doesnt it? maybe it got buffed, i cba to go look, but if it is, then frankly its a crappy skill unless you get 8x of em and spike someone, and i cant remember the damage so maybe even that sucks.
vampiric gaze is stupidly overpriced as a source of damage and healing. If it was any cheaper then it would be overpowered, but as it is, im not spending 10e for an orison (without divine bonus as well) and a very weak orb.
Finally shadow strike is again somewhat silly. Its better, since the damage is higher, but im not sold.
So what is the advantage of this over a wa/n. Surely, you didnt just insert yourself in the thread to make a completely unecessary and pretentious rant about necros?
You must have come here to try and give something better than what i had, which you havent. All youve got it a more efficient bip, at the expense of a greatly reduced character. And again, the whole point of the build was not wasting a whole character for one skill. And dont come back with 'but its not wasted, blood is good', because as i have explained, not in this context, not with those skills.

The sword guy is much better, and you no longer, nor ever did, seem to have a point.

JYX · Sep 19, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by rii

Shadow Strike
Vampiric Gaze
Barbed Signet
Life Siphon
-Whatever You Want- (Useful is there's 1 odd skill needed in party. Soothing Images or suchlike)
Strip Enchantment
Blood is Power {E}
Res Sig

Pve? This is gvg pvp. So to be as polite as possible, i dont care. In pve, you can do whatever you want, and as long as its organised itll work. So stop talking about it as if it mattered.

Yes, its a solid Build. So is a quickshot ranger, a evis spiker, and a smiter. However, DONT NEED THIS. Stop walking into the thread, seeing any comment on necros then going off on some unrelated tangent about how necros are useful. i know their useful, and i really really dont need to be told it by you.

BiP healing/prot? Im assuming you mean a ne.mo. Again, stop lecturing me on the possibilties. I know what they are, and i am fairly certain there are many things better than that. I only have 8 slots, and there are 36 profession mixes. Go figure i might not be able to use all of them..... in fact, just read this thread, it sums it up in twice the space but it saves me time regurgitating things:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=45301
There are many points there of great use, and one of them is for the last time:
i d o n t w a n t a n e c r o p r i m a r y
im sure you can do well with them, i know i can, but again, ive got better things to do than use one.

Lets go back to that build of yours. Im assuming its pve, since a few points are quite important in regards to pvp:

'i dont need self heals'
i said this many times. The point of teamwork is you streamline jobs to sqeeze as much efficiency out of people as possible. This is why i dont want self heals. Healing is the monks job. Necros job is buffing, debuffing, and hexes. Roughly. If a monk has oob and bip, and uses a non priority heal to do the wa/n, healing is moot, and whatsmore, again, its a matter of space. ive only got 8 skill slots, so me wasting them on what is meant to be someone elses job is shockingly stupid in pvp.

The damage is awful. barbed signet has a 30s cooldown doesnt it? maybe it got buffed, i cba to go look, but if it is, then frankly its a crappy skill unless you get 8x of em and spike someone, and i cant remember the damage so maybe even that sucks.
vampiric gaze is stupidly overpriced as a source of damage and healing. If it was any cheaper then it would be overpowered, but as it is, im not spending 10e for an orison (without divine bonus as well) and a very weak orb.
Finally shadow strike is again somewhat silly. Its better, since the damage is higher, but im not sold.
So what is the advantage of this over a wa/n. Surely, you didnt just insert yourself in the thread to make a completely unecessary and pretentious rant about necros?
You must have come here to try and give something better than what i had, which you havent. All youve got it a more efficient bip, at the expense of a greatly reduced character. And again, the whole point of the build was not wasting a whole character for one skill. And dont come back with 'but its not wasted, blood is good', because as i have explained, not in this context, not with those skills.

The sword guy is much better, and you no longer, nor ever did, seem to have a point.

...i think you should go necro primary...

...they're useful...

Serps · Sep 19, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Everous

...i think you should go necro primary...

...they're useful...

In what way?

Zeru · Sep 19, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Even an ele is useful...for ether renewal

BiP is an awesome energy management elite because it doesn't come in bursts like offering or edrain. Too many times I see someone use edrain, then drain them right back before they get a chance to use it. I definitely wouldn't sacrifice a spot in the team for a necro just for bip. A blood biper/damager isn't a terrible idea but it's not all that great either and is only good because of BiP. The other alternative to bip on the war is to run it on dual monks. The 1 pip is not worth it to switch to necro unless you've already got other good reasons to be necro (rare).

Also, if you aren't using a warrior elite, go sword. Galrath/Final are solid stuff, just not at eviscerate or Dev Hammer level.

Nightsorrow · Sep 20, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by rii

Shadow Strike
Vampiric Gaze
Barbed Signet
Life Siphon
-Whatever You Want- (Useful is there's 1 odd skill needed in party. Soothing Images or suchlike)
Strip Enchantment
Blood is Power {E}
Res Sig

Pve? This is gvg pvp. So to be as polite as possible, i dont care. In pve, you can do whatever you want, and as long as its organised itll work. So stop talking about it as if it mattered.

Yes, its a solid Build. So is a quickshot ranger, a evis spiker, and a smiter. However, DONT NEED THIS. Stop walking into the thread, seeing any comment on necros then going off on some unrelated tangent about how necros are useful. i know their useful, and i really really dont need to be told it by you.

BiP healing/prot? Im assuming you mean a ne.mo. Again, stop lecturing me on the possibilties. I know what they are, and i am fairly certain there are many things better than that. I only have 8 slots, and there are 36 profession mixes. Go figure i might not be able to use all of them..... in fact, just read this thread, it sums it up in twice the space but it saves me time regurgitating things:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=45301
There are many points there of great use, and one of them is for the last time:
i d o n t w a n t a n e c r o p r i m a r y
im sure you can do well with them, i know i can, but again, ive got better things to do than use one.

Lets go back to that build of yours. Im assuming its pve, since a few points are quite important in regards to pvp:

'i dont need self heals'
i said this many times. The point of teamwork is you streamline jobs to sqeeze as much efficiency out of people as possible. This is why i dont want self heals. Healing is the monks job. Necros job is buffing, debuffing, and hexes. Roughly. If a monk has oob and bip, and uses a non priority heal to do the wa/n, healing is moot, and whatsmore, again, its a matter of space. ive only got 8 skill slots, so me wasting them on what is meant to be someone elses job is shockingly stupid in pvp.

The damage is awful. barbed signet has a 30s cooldown doesnt it? maybe it got buffed, i cba to go look, but if it is, then frankly its a crappy skill unless you get 8x of em and spike someone, and i cant remember the damage so maybe even that sucks.
vampiric gaze is stupidly overpriced as a source of damage and healing. If it was any cheaper then it would be overpowered, but as it is, im not spending 10e for an orison (without divine bonus as well) and a very weak orb.
Finally shadow strike is again somewhat silly. Its better, since the damage is higher, but im not sold.
So what is the advantage of this over a wa/n. Surely, you didnt just insert yourself in the thread to make a completely unecessary and pretentious rant about necros?
You must have come here to try and give something better than what i had, which you havent. All youve got it a more efficient bip, at the expense of a greatly reduced character. And again, the whole point of the build was not wasting a whole character for one skill. And dont come back with 'but its not wasted, blood is good', because as i have explained, not in this context, not with those skills.

The sword guy is much better, and you no longer, nor ever did, seem to have a point.

Well I thought this thread was going in a constructive direction until you posted this. Quite why, when I had already stated that I have given up on my point, you decided to take it on yourself to slate the build I had put forward and then, in a seemingly more aggresive way than before, re-state your reasons for not taking this build originally. I had already accepted that you weren't interested in my way of thinking - hence why I had withdrawn from the thread. And a rant about Necros? I made my point in 1 post and kept my replies as on-topic as is realisticly possible - what other people have said didn't concern me, so quite why you decided to bring a whole post back into attacking me?

Well, whatever, I assumed you were someone who actually took care to debate something, rather than arguing - I was clearly wrong.

Good luck with your build, goodbye.

JYX · Sep 20, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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